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[Besouro Azul]

Tirando a Libertadores de 2011 e a Copa das Confederações (TORNEIO GIGANTESCO) o Neymar já decidiu algum torneio relevante ? 

Um craque que não decide e não ganha é uma piada.

Pipoca ta ON.

[Bruno Caetano.]

"Pipoqueiro" é a expressão mais chata do futebol.

[Athaíde]

  Em 23/08/2020 em 21:48, Besouro Azul disse:

Tirando a Libertadores de 2011 e a Copa das Confederações (TORNEIO GIGANTESCO) o Neymar já decidiu algum torneio relevante ? 

Um craque que não decide e não ganha é uma piada.

Pipoca ta ON.

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Aí depende se você considera a ChampionsLeague 14/15 relevante ou não.

[felipevalle]

Neymadetes donde están?

[David R.]

Pipoqueiro por perder pra esse Bayern aí? Bizarro né. Tá claro o campeão foi o melhor time da Europa, um nível coletivo e individual altíssimo...era favorito e mereceu vencer.

[SilveiraGOD.]

ALEÁS, é preciso ressaltar um nome que muita pouca gente tá falando sobre mas eu acho que tem muita importância nesse negócio: Hans Flick. Eu não conhecia ele, não sabia de onde tinha vindo e quando chegou interinamente eu pensei que o Bayern tava fazendo uma escrotidão sem tamanho. No entanto, foi o cara que reavivou o time e fez jogar um futebol coletivo e completíssimo. É indiscutível que esse Bayern é o melhor time do mundo atualmente e muito tem a ver com esse senhor.

O Flick tem só 5 anos o Hoffenheim lá em 2000 e alguma coisa e depois foi auxiliar a vida toda. Pegou aquela transformação da Alemanha em 2006~2014 e depois foi pro Bayern. É um puta achado.

[EduFernandes]

Dos males, o menor.

Mas ainda é ruim demais, credo.

 

Tô MUITO longe de ser defensor do Neymar, mas não dá pra chamar ele de pipoqueiro, Bayern é muito mais time. Tá mais chato que o Real do tricampeonato, os caras jogam fácil demais.

[Dr.Thales]

Tava torcendo pro PSG e o adulto Ney.

Pena.

Bayern é muito mais time, então não dá pra dizer que pipocaram e etc.

Isso é querer ser hater demais dos caras.

[Lanko]

  Em 24/08/2020 em 00:48, SilveiraGOD. disse:

ALEÁS, é preciso ressaltar um nome que muita pouca gente tá falando sobre mas eu acho que tem muita importância nesse negócio: Hans Flick. Eu não conhecia ele, não sabia de onde tinha vindo e quando chegou interinamente eu pensei que o Bayern tava fazendo uma escrotidão sem tamanho. No entanto, foi o cara que reavivou o time e fez jogar um futebol coletivo e completíssimo. É indiscutível que esse Bayern é o melhor time do mundo atualmente e muito tem a ver com esse senhor.

O Flick tem só 5 anos o Hoffenheim lá em 2000 e alguma coisa e depois foi auxiliar a vida toda. Pegou aquela transformação da Alemanha em 2006~2014 e depois foi pro Bayern. É um puta achado.

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Esse é o auxiliar que botou o time pra jogar, ao contrário de um certo outro auxiliar em terras tupiniquins...

Imagino se também vão usari sso pra passar mais pano pro Domenech.

[felipevalle]

ah do PSG o que gostei foi das jogadas em passes rasteiros e rápidos. Gosto muito de time que joga assim se espelhando no futsal. E é que não acompanho muito o futebol do Mbappé, mas parece que não é tão bom em finalizar assim hein. Ou ele é jogador mais pra receber bola em profundidade e agredir a defesa adv.?

Já sobre o Navas, achei uma partida normal dele. Nada demais.

E o Neuer. Deu uma engordada ou é a minha lente que estava generosa ontem?

Gnabry deu uma zoada no espetáculo hein. Se fosse expulso pelo conjunto das armas, sei não...

Por fim, não vi essa disparidade toda. O Bayern pode até ser o melhor time atual do mundo, mas é não tão acima assim.

O jogo da final, por exemplo, não teve tantos momentos de perigo assim.

[Aleef]

  Em 24/08/2020 em 00:48, SilveiraGOD. disse:

O Flick tem só 5 anos o Hoffenheim lá em 2000 e alguma coisa e depois foi auxiliar a vida toda. Pegou aquela transformação da Alemanha em 2006~2014 e depois foi pro Bayern. É um puta achado.

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How Flick saved Bayern’s season and won their eighth Bundesliga title in a row

Before he took charge at the Allianz Arena in summer 2016, Carlo Ancelotti famously observed that Bayern Munich could win the German championship “with their hands in their pockets”, such was their financial and qualitative superiority in the Bundesliga.

But it was not too long ago that the 2019-20 campaign was heading towards being a Black Swan-type exception. Bayern were just seventh in the table before a home game against Werder Bremen in mid-December. A 6-1 demolition of Bremen that day proved the starting point of an invincible run of 22 wins and only one draw under Hansi Flick in all competitions, culminating in Tuesday’s 1-0 win over the same opponents that clinched their eighth successive title.

A fifth double in those eight seasons now beckons, and maybe more. Bayern don’t just win a ton of games under Flick, they do so while playing a brand of shiny, cohesive attacking football that has their hierarchy dreaming of a sixth European Cup.

The renaissance of the Bundesliga’s flagship club is a remarkable achievement for Flick, a quiet, unassuming man who had never been in charge of a top-flight team before and whose biggest success as a head coach had been winning the fourth division with a nascent Hoffenheim 20 years ago.

His near-total lack of experience at this level was one of the reasons Bayern kept looking for a more prominent replacement for Niko Kovac while he was entrusted with caretaker duties in November. Bayern wanted a glamorous manager and the degree of security that comes with hiring proven silverware hoarders. Flick’s low profile — he won the 2014 World Cup as Joachim Low’s assistant but mostly worked in the shadows — had some at the club worried he wouldn’t command enough authority to rescue a season in danger of being a total write-off.

The 55-year-old was initially hired as Kovac’s assistant last summer, “at the express wish” of the incumbent manager, as Bayern’s press release put it. In truth, it was a little different.

The bosses hadn’t failed to notice that many players had struggled with Kovac’s negative tactics and his self-serving propensity to talk down the team’s quality, despite winning the double in his first season. It was then-club president Uli Hoeness’s idea to install Flick, a former midfield water-carrier at Bayern in the mid-1980s, as a possible stop-gap solution in case the Croatian lost the dressing room altogether in his second year. When Kovac lost 5-1 at his former club Eintracht Frankfurt in early November, his time was over and Flick’s had come.

Beating Dortmund 4-0 in his first game in charge gave the club confidence he could at the very least continue to manage until a bigger name was acquired. By Christmas, he was confirmed as caretaker until the end of the season. Not long after, Bayern realised that things were going so well there was no longer a real need to look for a better solution. They named him head coach until 2023.

“Le Flick, C’est Chic,” 11 Freunde magazine wrote about him this week but there has been nothing particularly flashy or gimmicky about his reign. Flick doesn’t do big, memorable speeches, either in the dressing room or in front of the media. Those who have watched him closely over the last few months will tell you he has succeeded by simply being himself, a genuine man who treats everybody with respect and understands what a team of Bayern’s qualities needs to thrive: simple, clear instructions and a basic set-up that brings out their best.

His leadership style is an inclusive one. After taking over from Kovac, he sounded out the views of key members of the team. What did they think about the way Bayern should play? Feedback suggested the team favoured a much more attacking style than the one Kovac had overseen, frustrating them with his reactive tactics. “We would sit back, win back the ball near our own box but then had 80 metres to go to get to the opposition goal,” a senior player tells The Athletic. “We weren’t playing our football.”

A return to pressing principles and a higher defensive line was universally welcomed. The majority view was neatly in line with Flick’s own ideas but it had been important to him that the team felt they were being heard. “His empathy is his greatest asset, he’s reminiscent of Jupp Heynckes in that respect,” a source close to the dressing room tells The Athletic. Like 2013’s saintly treble-winner before him, Flick has shown a talent for making everyone feel valued, whether they are seasoned superstars or youngsters on the fringe of the team. “Players like the way he talks to them. He’s honest with them, true to his word. They like him and play for him.”

When Javi Martinez was going through such a difficult spell he cried on the bench in October, it was Flick who offered the Spanish midfielder a hug and a sympathetic ear.

Jerome Boateng and Thomas Muller, two big players who had found themselves ignominiously sidelined by Kovac, were brought back into the fold by Flick, too. Both have been playing their best football for years in the second half of the season, buoyed by the reintroduction of a possession/pressing system that keeps the distance between Bayern’s lines short and the pressure on their opposition intolerably high. The club also love that Flick has been willing to give young players, such as teenage forwards Joshua Zirkzee and Oliver Batista Maier, a chance.

It would be wrong to paint him as a mere Mr Nice Guy, though. Flick’s charisma-lite media personality hides a fierce ambition. Working as Low’s assistant with Germany, he used to challenge younger members of the staff to impromptu push-up contests and didn’t talk to one of them for a couple of days after getting beaten at backgammon. Bayern officials, too, were slightly taken aback that Flick had very firm ideas about the way he wanted the team’s affairs run and stood his ground unless there were very good arguments to do things differently.

Flick has taken to power very naturally. He’s a benign ruler and avowed team-worker but has clear views. And he doesn’t shy away from voicing them.

Players’ ears pricked up when he publicly demanded the signing of a new right-back during the winter break in spite of opposition from sporting director Hasan Salihamidzic, who pointedly told Flick that squad composition shouldn’t be done via the media. Flick stood his ground. Real Madrid’s Alvaro Odriozola was duly brought in on loan. Flick and Salihamidzic have since made up.

“People tend to underestimate him because he’s never cared about putting himself in the spotlight,” a long-time friend tells The Athletic. “But he knows both football and his own mind. During his many years under Low, he’s travelled all around Europe and frequently talked at length about the game with the likes of Klopp, Guardiola, Tuchel and Nagelsmann… There’s a deep well of know-how there.”

Manuel Neuer, Muller and Boateng knew as much from working with him at national team level. Serge Gnabry has been a fan since Flick had played a role in furthering the former Arsenal player’s career by bringing him to Hoffenheim when working as their sporting director in 2017. Others who hadn’t had dealings with him quickly realised his human touch was complemented by well-defined tactical plans that helped the team play much better. The dressing room was almost instantly his. “When you have the veterans on your side, the team follow suit,” a source close to the dressing room says.

Members of the 2014 World Cup squad privately go as far saying Germany wouldn’t have won that tournament without him. Flick was Low’s details man. In the spring of that year, he wrote down the team’s exact training regime for every single day in a black booklet that was hundreds of pages thick. He was also instrumental in convincing Low to devote more time to dead-ball situations, an area the national team manager had neglected in the past. Only five goals out of their 53 scored in the 2006, 2008, 2010 and 2012 tournaments had come from free kicks or corners, and Germany had conceded pivotal goals from or after set-pieces in 2006, 2010 and 2012.

Dead-balls, known as “Standards” in Germany, were practised more extensively than ever since Germany’s reboot as a team had begun under Jurgen Klinsmann in 2004. Flick felt it made good sense to do so, in anticipation of a hot, sticky World Cup in Brazil in which clear goalscoring chances from open play might be at a premium. He had noticed that Freiburg, Low’s club when he was a second division striker in the 1980s, had an above-average success rate from set-pieces, so Flick instructed Lars Vossler, the assistant coach responsible for Standards at Freiburg, to present his ideas at a coaching workshop.

Inspiration also came from more far-flung places. In order to get the team’s creative juices flowing, he showed them a series of videos of novel dead-ball ideas, which included a Maldives international feigning a stumble in the run-up of a penalty. Muller and Toni Kroos unsuccessfully adapted the routine for a comically inept free kick against Algeria in the last 16 but they didn’t mind the world-wide schadenfreude.

This new focus on Standards ended up being a key factor in Germany lifting the trophy. They scored five goals from set-pieces in Brazil, including four from their 32 corners, a sensational return of one in eight. At the top level, the usual rate is 1:50. “We have become the kings of set-pieces,” Muller said at the time.

Germany’s set-piece excellence was a triumph of preparation and a culture of collective responsibility. Flick had split the squad in two and made scoring goals from set-pieces a mini-competition after every training session, fostering a spirit of innovation, fun and productive rivalry in the camp. “He made the players partners in the process,” a member of the entourage in Brazil tells The Athletic. “They weren’t just following orders but were entrusted to come up with their own solutions. They felt respected and taken seriously as a result.”

It’s exactly the same at Bayern now. The club could not be happier.

“Hansi has really done well in promoting the team’s strengths of playing attacking football and keeping a well-balanced defence at the same time,” Salihamidzic tells The Athletic. “He communicates really well with the players; practice sessions have been hard work, but also fun, and he really prepared the team well for every game. Hansi is hungry for success, and so are the players. It’s a great fit.”

There’s no arguing with that assessment.

Come August, Flick will lead Bayern into the final stages of the Champions League as one of the smallest names on the European stage but that’s immaterial in relation to the big impact he has had: thanks to him, Bayern’s football has a recognisable identity again.

 

Credit: The Athletic.

 

[Leho.]

Como eu imaginava, jogo equilibrado... só esperava que fosse sair mais gols, hahahah! Mbappé e Di María não podem perder as chances que perderam, sinceramente. Neuer foi um monstro, dos melhores em campo, e o Navas também impediu boas chances do Bayern.

Ganhou quem soube aproveitar melhor as chances, acho o conjunto do time alemão melhor mas não vejo essa disparidade toooooda também, não. PSG poderia ter enfiado 2x0 já no intervalo por exemplo, e não o fez.

Fato é que essa Champions foi atípica, o Bayern engatou uma terceira marcha mt forte nesses jogos e mereceu o caneco de qualquer forma.

Neuer como já disse foi um monstro (e engraçado pensar que a gente já viu um auge dele acontecer, será que estamos vendo outro?), mas Kimmich e Thiago... DEUZULIVREGUARDE! Jogaram pra caraaaaalho ontem. Thiago controlando completamente as ações no meio-campo, Kimmich sendo fundamental na saída de bola e na profundidade no ataque. Acho que o MOTM na mão de um desses 3 tá bem entregue.

E se o Liverpool realmente levar o Thiago, que puta contratação. Vai brilhar demais na Inglaterra também.

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Quanto ao Neymar, acho que (chamar de) "pipoca" é forçar a barra com ele ontem, mas mais uma vez não conseguiu ser aquilo que a fanboyzada pinta dele. Foi exemplarmente marcado, teve pouco espaço, conseguiu algumas arrancadas e teve sua oportunidade clara pra marcar (parou no Neuer). Mas jamais esteve com o controle do time (diferente daquele jogo contra a Atalanta, por exemplo).

Neymar foi ao PSG como o cara que levaria o time nas costas pra conquista da Champions. E ontem ele passou perto disso, mas teve que se contentar com o vice.

[Douglas.]

Essa final foi o jogo mais atípico que alguém poderia esperar. O Bayern foi superior na maior parte do tempo e mesmo assim deu chances pro PSG fazer pelo menos uns 3 gols. Também poderiam ter sido marcados pelo menos um penalty pra cada lado.

Por mais que Neymar e Di Maria tenham criado pouco e o Mbappé tenha perdido umas 2 oportunidades muito boas, acho que o pior do PSG foi o meio-campo inexistente. Isso ficou muito evidente no 2º tempo, quando o time só fazia ligações diretas apostando no trio ofensivo conseguir resolver. Eles até criaram algumas chances mas isso não pode ser o plano de jogo de um finalista de UCL.

[Leho.]

  Em 24/08/2020 em 16:45, Douglas. disse:

[...], acho que o pior do PSG foi o meio-campo inexistente. Isso ficou muito evidente no 2º tempo, quando o time só fazia ligações diretas apostando no trio ofensivo conseguir resolver. Eles até criaram algumas chances mas isso não pode ser o plano de jogo de um finalista de UCL.

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Mas isso aí é reflexo do Neymar abaixo ontem. Como eu falei ali, ontem ele não teve em nenhum momento o controle do time nas mãos, recuando até o meio pra buscar a bola, centralizando as jogadas, ditando o ritmo do jogo e etc, etc. Pega a movimentação dele contra a Atalanta e compara com a de ontem, pra você ver.

E isso acabou repercutindo negativamente no time, óbvio. O Paredes não fez uma má partida, mas claramente ficou sobrecarregado nessa função de coordenar o setor sozinho.

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[EduFernandes]

  Em 24/08/2020 em 16:38, Leho. disse:

Foi exemplarmente marcado, teve pouco espaço

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Dizem as más línguas que ontem ele foi tão bem marcado que não teve espaço nem pra cair

 

[Lanko]

  Em 24/08/2020 em 22:46, EduFernandes disse:

Dizem as más línguas que ontem ele foi tão bem marcado que não teve espaço nem pra cair

 

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HAHAHAHAHA!

[Leho.]

  Em 24/08/2020 em 22:46, EduFernandes disse:

Dizem as más línguas que ontem ele foi tão bem marcado que não teve espaço nem pra cair

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Hahahahahahaha, bem por aí.

[SilveiraGOD.]

AQUI ESTÁ A REAL RAZÃO PELA QUAL O PSG PERDEU A UCL:

 

Chorem, analistas táticos. O Little Devil sabe mais que vocês todos.

[EduFernandes]

  Em 25/08/2020 em 01:44, SilveiraGOD. disse:

AQUI ESTÁ A REAL RAZÃO PELA QUAL O PSG PERDEU A UCL:

 

Chorem, analistas táticos. O Little Devil sabe mais que vocês todos.

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[ZMB]

É fácil demais ser comentaristas esportivo no Brasil.

[EduFernandes]

Meio off

Esqueceram um ou outro, mas tá aí. Essa curiosidade de que monta um time certinho também é muito louca. 

[felipevalle]

  Em 25/08/2020 em 03:55, EduFernandes disse:

 

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se é o Dinei, faria