transferências Leroy Sané vai para o Bayern

[David R.]

 

Mais uma transferência pra ajudar a manter o equilíbrio da Bundesliga.

[Henrique M.]

O pior é a pechincha. Só 50 milhões. 

[rasmus]

  Em 30/06/2020 em 17:37, David Reis disse:

 

Mais uma transferência pra ajudar a manter o equilíbrio da Bundesliga.

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Kkkkk,Bayern campeão mais uma temporada

[EduFernandes]

50M? Barça pagou quase o triplo no Dembélé que é de vidro e pior.

Triste

[felipevalle]

vai desbancar o Coman e o Perisic?

[David R.]

  Em 01/07/2020 em 00:54, felipevalle disse:

vai desbancar o Coman e o Perisic?

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Se eu não me engano, o Perisic é emprestado pela Inter. Aliás, a prioridade do Bayern sempre foi o Sané, eles adiaram essa contratação por conta da lesão que aconteceu na janela.

[Banton]

Lembro de uma temporada, acho que era a 10/11. Mohammed Abdellaoue jogando horrores pelo Hannover 96 e surgia um tal de Marco Reus no Borussia Gladbach.

Campeonato Alemão sempre foi o meu preferido. Nível alto, divertido e tem uma interação muito grande com seus fãs. Única coisa que estraga é essa instituição chamada Bayern de Munique.

 

[Danut]

50 milhões de euros, mais salário de 17 milhões anuais, em pleno mercado de coronavírus, pra um jogador que tá se recuperando de lesão grave no joelho. Aí depois a culpa é do Dortmund por não levar o título. 

[Paulo Henrique VNP]

Quando eu achava que ia acabar saindo de graça ano que vem, me vem o Bayern e oferece 50M em vez de esperar só um ano a mais.

É um negócio ruim para o City pelo jogador que é, mas bom pelo dinheiro que ganha em vez de ficar com as mãos abanando. Ruim para o Bayern por ter que gastar, e ruim para a Liga Alemã por aumentar ainda mais o abismo de qualidade dos bávaros pro resto.

[Bruno Caetano.]

O Bayern arriscou primeiro porque pode se dar ao luxo, e também talvez um medo de perdê-lo ao esperar demais. A questão é qual Sané teremos de agora em diante, porque ele era craque e muito explosivo.

[Sunday]

Ele é tão bom assim?

[Sunday]

Pra mim o time do Bayern tá numa decadência do caralho. Pega o elenco desse ano e o de 5 anos atrás... a única razão das vitórias do Bayern nos últimos anos é a dificuldade do Borussia de manter seus jogadores. Dembele, Aubameyang juntos do Sancho e do Reus teriam sidos campeões alguma vez nesses últimos 3 anos. O Leipzig foi tiro curto tipo o Monaco, muitos jovens que sabiam que iriam vender. O campeonato alemão tá ficando tecnicamente pior, na minha humilde opinião.

[Leho.]

  Em 02/07/2020 em 18:57, Sunday disse:

Ele é tão bom assim?

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Na segunda imagem tem os números dele nas duas últimas temporadas (sem contar essa atual). Ótimos números: gols, assistências, mt passe decisivo, alta intensidade pelo flanco esquerdo. O garoto é mt bom de bola.

Mas aí tem a questão da lesão né, que já citaram pelo tópico: tem que ver como vai ser esse Sané pós-lesão.

[EduFernandes]

  Em 02/07/2020 em 18:57, Sunday disse:

Ele é tão bom assim?

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Antes da lesão, era. Muito rápido, bom drible, era bom fazendo gol ou dando assistência. Era o melhor ponta do City, na minha opinião. Sinceramente, nem sei como deu essa confusão com ele no time ultimamente. Ele era titular absoluto e fazia valer isso.

Se a lesão não comprometeu em nada, vai ser titular absoluto do Bayern e um ótimo substituto para o Robben.

[Leho.]

Chega com moral, hein? hahahahaha

[Danut]

  Em 02/07/2020 em 19:08, Sunday disse:

Pra mim o time do Bayern tá numa decadência do caralho. Pega o elenco desse ano e o de 5 anos atrás... a única razão das vitórias do Bayern nos últimos anos é a dificuldade do Borussia de manter seus jogadores. Dembele, Aubameyang juntos do Sancho e do Reus teriam sidos campeões alguma vez nesses últimos 3 anos. O Leipzig foi tiro curto tipo o Monaco, muitos jovens que sabiam que iriam vender. O campeonato alemão tá ficando tecnicamente pior, na minha humilde opinião.

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Tava vendo um comentário sobre isso no Twitter e resolvi dar uma olhada. Nos últimos dez anos, quem o Bayern perdeu de jogador importante? Digo no sentido de jogador que o clube gostaria de segurar, mas acabou se vendo forçado a vender porque sabia que o cara ia sair de qualquer maneira. Acho que só o Toni Kroos.

Aí tu olha pro Dortmund nesses mesmos dez anos: Pulisic, Dembélé, Aubameyang, Mkhitaryan, Hummels (voltou agora né, mas fez falta igual), Gündogan, Lewandowski, Götze, Kagawa , Sahin (os últimos três voltaram depois, mas jogando bem menos).

Continua acompanhando futebol europeu (fora meia dúzia de jogos da Champions e talvez o campeonato inglês) quem não gosta de futebol. Enquanto não mudarem alguma coisa na distribuição do dinheiro, não tem sentido nenhum aquilo mais.

[Dan_Cunha]

  Em 04/07/2020 em 21:47, Danut disse:

Tava vendo um comentário sobre isso no Twitter e resolvi dar uma olhada. Nos últimos dez anos, quem o Bayern perdeu de jogador importante? Digo no sentido de jogador que o clube gostaria de segurar, mas acabou se vendo forçado a vender porque sabia que o cara ia sair de qualquer maneira. Acho que só o Toni Kroos.

Aí tu olha pro Dortmund nesses mesmos dez anos: Pulisic, Dembélé, Aubameyang, Mkhitaryan, Hummels (voltou agora né, mas fez falta igual), Gündogan, Lewandowski, Götze, Kagawa , Sahin (os últimos três voltaram depois, mas jogando bem menos).

Continua acompanhando futebol europeu (fora meia dúzia de jogos da Champions e talvez o campeonato inglês) quem não gosta de futebol. Enquanto não mudarem alguma coisa na distribuição do dinheiro, não tem sentido nenhum aquilo mais.

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Verdade. Aliás, sempre foi uma curiosidade minha: a distribuição da premiação da Bundes se dá da mesma forma como acontece no FM? Aquela bolada no final do campeonato? E a receita de patrocinadores do Borússia é aquela mesmo? (Quase 100 milhões de euros/ano)?

De qualquer forma, a disparidade ainda é gigante. E poderia até ser maior, mas o Bayern parece ter um controle forte em relação a gastos e tudo mais. Se não fosse isso sobraria ainda mais (e arriscaria um pouco mais a dar errado também )

Sané tem tudo para deitar e rolar, sendo o dono da posição por bastante tempo, como foi Robben e Ribery. O único porém é essa lesão aí.

 

[Danut]

  Em 05/07/2020 em 14:48, Dan_Cunha disse:

Verdade. Aliás, sempre foi uma curiosidade minha: a distribuição da premiação da Bundes se dá da mesma forma como acontece no FM? Aquela bolada no final do campeonato? E a receita de patrocinadores do Borússia é aquela mesmo? (Quase 100 milhões de euros/ano)?

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Não sei te dizer sobre a distribuição da premiação. Quanto aos patrocínios, achei isso aqui no Twitter:

Ou seja, a receita de patrocínios do Dortmund passou dos 100 milhões já. Mas o Bayern leva mais do que o dobro. O gráfico de pizza sobre o Bayern ali no canto tá falando de % do clube que é de propriedade de cada um, não tem a ver com a receita de patrocínio.

[Aleef]

Inside Leroy Sane’s transfer (and the bad blood between Bayern and Man City)

The latest apology came on Thursday night. Leroy Sane was not yet a Bayern Munich player but there were already pictures of him in the famous red shirt all over social media, so it was sporting director Hasan Salihamidzic’s turn, picking up the phone and calling Txiki Begiristain to assure the Manchester City director of football that they had not intended for it to be this way.

It was only last summer that City CEO Ferran Soriano had written a formal letter to his Bayern counterparts, expressing his club’s dismay at the public courting of Sane via the media, leading the Germans’ then-president Uli Hoeness to express his regret.

Twelve months on Sane is, at last, a Bayern player after the clubs managed to put their vast differences aside and agree a deal that could rise to €60 million.

It is the first time that City have lost one of their star players against their wishes since their takeover in 2008, and they have done so to perhaps the most vocal critics of their ownership model throughout the last decade. Roberto Mancini first threatened to have it out with Karl-Heinz Rummenigge in 2010.

The fact that Sane will not play for City again, despite not being able to start his Bayern career until next season, makes clear just how keen both he and City were to bring this saga to a close. The now-deposed back-to-back Premier League champions had wanted to keep him, offering him a new contract two years ago and keeping that deal on the table even after he suffered knee ligament damage last August, at a time when Bayern decided to wait and see.

But Sane’s mind had long been made up. He and manager Pep Guardiola had become exasperated with each other over the past two years (Sane believed he should be playing more, Guardiola believed he needed to do much more to earn it), the winger and his partner had grown to dislike Manchester, and despite differences between his parents and his partner, there was a common desire to move to Munich, where he will earn considerably more money than he did at City. There is also the sporting project offered at Bayern and everything that means to a top German player.

While City indicated that they would be willing to let him go on a free if Bayern didn’t match their valuation this summer, sources in Germany believe the reality is somewhat different. When Sane made it clear to City in June that he would be happy to wait a year and leave for nothing, the club were supposedly spooked and decided to strike a deal with Bayern as soon as possible.

As is often the case with transfers like this, particularly between two clubs with as little common ground as City and Bayern, there are two versions.

Transfer fee, wages and the whys and wherefores are all up for debate.

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When Guardiola revealed, bluntly, at a press conference just two weeks ago that Sane “does not want to extend his contract” and that he would be leaving City either this summer or next, it was designed to serve as a line in the sand. Everything was out in the open, everybody knew Sane’s intentions and, if you looked closely enough, how City felt about it.

Yet few expected everything to be resolved within a fortnight. Given the depth of ill-feeling towards each other, it is a wonder they managed to agree on anything at all.

Some of the facts are straightforward. Over the past two weeks, the clubs’ sporting directors — Salihamidzic and Begiristain — conducted talks in a “very cordial, businesslike manner”, according to a source close to the negotiations.

A sporting director’s job description demands that business comes first, so relationships with the game’s most influential figures must be maintained. As a result, the two men were able to reach a satisfactory conclusion, despite the strong feelings of some of their colleagues. Everything ended amicably between City and Bayern.

The risk of another injury scuppering the move for a second time was a factor in the immediacy of the deal, but City were in a hurry to let Sane go anyway. They insist he would not have played much for the club for the rest of this season, as Guardiola felt he was not committed.

There was no element of rushing a deal through before the Court of Arbitration for Sport’s ruling on City’s appeal against their two-year Champions League ban, as has been speculated. Due to COVID-enforced changes to Financial Fair Play rules, club accounts for 2020 and 2021 will be grouped together and averaged out, so there is no difference between June, July or even December.

The only sense of significance regarding the timing comes from the Bayern end. Salihamidzic became an official member of the club’s board on Wednesday, July 1, and the fact he managed to thrash out deals for Sane and Tanguy Kouassi — an 18-year-old defender who has joined on a free from Paris Saint-Germain — the day before added to the sense he had pulled off a huge coup.

Sources close to Bayern believe their capture of Kouassi on a free transfer, which blindsided PSG and left their coach Thomas Tuchel fuming, reinforced for City the real possibility of losing Sane for nothing.

Salihamidzic was pointedly praised by CEO Rummenigge for “successfully concluding” a transfer saga that had occupied Bayern’s minds for well over a year. It was Salihamidzic, a former midfielder for the club, who had championed Sane’s signing early on and he was able to convince the board and then-new coach Hansi Flick the winger was a better fit for Bayern than Timo Werner. The RB Leipzig striker had already provisionally agreed terms with Bayern in spring 2019 but then became disillusioned over their inertia in pushing through a deal that summer.

Generally speaking, it is common for two clubs to both try to claim the high ground over a big transfer, and there is certainly an element of that here.

Such inter-club politics also helps explain the initial discrepancy in Sane’s reported wages. City sources indicate that he will be on a monster €22 million per year (more than €430,000 per week) at the Allianz Arena. At the Bayern end, it’s said to be “only” €17 million (not including signing-on fee), which has come down — due to the pandemic — from the €20 million he initially agreed with them last summer. Bayern have not disputed City’s figures that the deal is worth €49 million plus €11 million in add-ons, however.

City believe they have got a great deal for Sane because they recouped €60 million for a player with one year left on his contract amid the uncertainty of the global pandemic and so soon after a serious knee injury, with all the doubts those can bring.

Bayern, in turn, believe they have pulled off a masterstroke by getting a key player for considerably less than the €120-€150 million fee that had been mooted by City in August. By playing him in the Community Shield, the game where he got injured, City lost out on an extra €70 million or so, plus the €8 million they have paid him in wages while he was recuperating.

City had been working to extend Sane’s contract since summer 2018 to try to avoid exactly this type of situation. It was around that time that Chelsea considered making a move. Despite the tensions between City and Bayern, a move to London would surely have been a less palatable option for the top brass in Manchester.

Marina Granovskaia, Chelsea owner Roman Abramovich’s most trusted deal-maker, is a major admirer of the 24-year-old and seriously considered putting a move in place, but ultimately felt it would have been too complicated to pull off.

Indeed, it was not always easy for Bayern or even City to conduct talks with the player. Sane was initially represented by his parents and the first contact between the clubs was through Giovanni Branchini, an Italian agent who has done plenty of business with both teams in the past.

But last summer, Sane joined David Beckham’s agency before Beckham — the owner of new MLS franchise Inter Miami — quickly had to recuse himself due to US soccer regulations. After that, he moved to LIAN Sports, which ruffled a few feathers at Bayern but ultimately landed him an impressive contract.

While Begiristain and Salihamidzic were able to reach a conclusion that surely suits all parties, despite all the crowing, it is unlikely to bring an end to the mutual antipathy between City and Bayern.

That bad feeling goes all the way back to City’s 2008 takeover and Bayern’s three most powerful executives — Rummenigge, Hoeness and former president Franz Beckenbauer — making it clear, right from the start, that they were not prepared to sit back and quietly watch them try to get a place at football’s top table.

One specific comment gets to the heart of this conflict more than any other.

City brought in lawyers on one occasion when Hoeness reportedly claimed that every time Guardiola wanted a player costing over €100 million, he would put together some video clips and the transfer would be waved through before “the Sheikh raises the price of oil to recoup the money”.

A highly placed source at City described it privately as “the remark of a smug, arrogant egotist”.

As it turned out, that quote had been mistranslated. Hoeness did not suggest the Sheikh manipulates oil markets (which is potentially libellous) but that he simply sells more — “he opens up the gas tap a few millimetres more, and he’s even again”.

Of course, the sentiment is very similar.

City believe it is a case of old money versus new, while Bayern protest it is not so much the source of the Manchester club’s money, but that the supply of it is theoretically infinite. While they have dedicated themselves to forging hugely lucrative commercial partnerships, they feel City are state-owned and that they distort the market.

Senior Bayern sources also insist there is no personal animosity towards City and their owners but they’ve come to understand that the English club’s Abu Dhabi-based backers see it that way. Indeed, City believe several comments over the years have strayed close to xenophobia.

City had also deemed it hypocritical, to some extent, that during the public courting of Sane last summer, Bayern’s then-manager Nico Kovac also said they had to “fight against states and billionaires” in the transfer market, naming Abu Dhabi, Qatar and Saudi Arabia. Qatar were commercial partners for Bayern at the time, and still are.

Those public comments about Sane — Kovac saying he was “confident” a deal would get done and various Bayern players welcoming the move — are another sore point. Although the final negotiations were civilised, City feel Bayern’s strategy only strengthened the player’s resolve to leave. However, it must be said that he had already indicated his desire to do so, which is precisely why the public comments started.

Soriano wrote to Bayern and, to their credit, Hoeness and Kovac apologised publicly, although the latter’s contrition was not exactly fulsome. He said of his earlier comments: “I always speak the truth. What I said was absolutely right and is verified.”

City feel it is another example of Bayern lacking class, while Bayern see it as par for the course at top clubs, especially once there is already an agreement over personal terms (as there was in this case). Clubs in continental Europe are generally more accepting of this than their English counterparts.

Although City have never responded publicly, they were unimpressed by what they perceived to be aggressive tactics in the pursuit of Sane — but not necessarily surprised, given they experienced something similar with Jerome Boateng in the past.

In the case of Boateng, Bayern opened up with an £8 million offer for a player City valued nearer £18 million. City’s opinion was that it was a derisory offer. They did not make that public, however, whereas Bayern seemed outraged not to get their way and turned on City in the media. A compromise was eventually reached for the defender at around £13 million, and senior City officials still look back on that with disdain to this day.

Relations suffered previously when Guardiola was Bayern’s manager and the Bundesliga club, along with everybody else in football, knew it was City’s intention to one day to lure him to the Etihad, although Beckenbauer once claimed he had no concerns about losing Guardiola because the Catalan would not go to “a club like Manchester City”.

Guardiola and Hoeness remain friends and have dined together in Munich in recent years, while Bayern have often discussed the possibility of City being thrown out of the Champions League for FFP breaches — and they may soon get their wish.

City have found it increasingly offensive that Rummenigge and Hoeness have felt authorised to preach to them about the rights and wrongs of how to run a football club, given Hoeness received a three-year prison sentence in 2014 for fraud offences relating to the concealing of £22.4 million from tax inspectors, a year after Rummenigge accepted a €249,000 fine for not paying tax on two Rolex watches presented to him in Qatar.

Credit to the sporting directors for getting the Sane deal over the line, despite all that.

 

Fonte: The Athletic

História da transferência do Leroy Sané.

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