Televisão Sky Sports usa Football Manager em transmissão

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Sky Sports use Football Manager database to profile players in real life

Videogame's scouting network used to analyse the abilities of various Premier League players

 

Sky Sports News caused something of a stir amongst the football community on Monday by using the Football Manager database to rate clubs' new signings.

Several players including Robert Lewandowski and Esteban Cambiasso had their individual attributes displayed on screen as presenters looked to determine who might fit various potential transfer suitors.

The immediate reaction on Twitter was to mock Sky Sports for using the data, with many struggling to comprehend that a computer game might have some actual research put behind it and unaware that clubs have been using the same database for years. That reaction developed over time and can now be upgraded to mixed.

While it remains a video game (or simulator), the data collected for use in Football Manager is extensive and accurate. In 2014 Sports Interactive, the company that produces Football Manager (a game which has been cited in over 35 divorce cases), revealed that "performance analysis pioneers" Prozone had entered a "ground-breaking partnership" in which said data would be used in real-world player recruitment.

Due to confidentiality agreements SI are unable to reveal exactly which clubs utilise the database though did say that several "Premier League and big European clubs" actively did.

In 2008 Everton became the first club in the world to sign up to the Football Manager database, using data gathered from around the world by over 1300 scouts to facilitate a faster way of learning about potential transfer candidates, cutting out the need to wait for feedback from the club's existing scouting network.

A press release in 2014 stated:

"The original database included some 4,000 players and staff. Today, the current total stands at more than 550,000 (including 245,811 currently active and contracted footballers), with up to 250 individual pieces of information being stored about each person. These range from personal details to more creative scout ratings on various footballing abilities and skills.

As well as players, the FMD currently lists more than 32,000 active clubs and is maintained by Sports Interactive’s full-time in-house scouting team."

Screengrab from FM15

Many on Twitter ridiculed (for a change) Sky Sports' decision to use a computer game to explain how good a player might be but the lines between virtual reality and reality in football are becoming ever more blurred. Some American Football clubs use videogames and virtual reality to create plays to be used during actual matches, with the ability to physically show a team how everything is supposed to work hugely beneficial to players and coaching staff.

Sports Interactive Studio Director Miles Jacobson said in 2014:

“For years we’ve heard stories of real-life managers and scouts using our data to help with the recruitment process. From now on, it’s official...real managers around the world will be finding and comparing players using data and a search system that will be very familiar to players of Football Manager.”

In reaction to the tidal wave of "crying while laughing" emojis on Twitter that accompanied the screen grabs of Sky Sports presenters explaining that Robert Lewandowski would make a good signing for Manchester United because his finishing is 16, Jacobson said: "Some other data providers seemingly not happy with us providing data for @SkySportsNewsHQ transfer center. Clubs use it, so why not Sky?

"All different forms of data are valid. Saying humans can't provide accurate data is wrong - players signed from scouting, not stats alone. And that makes our research & huge scouting network just as valid as other sources - plus we have much better coverage globally."

The brunt of the criticism aimed at Sky Sports is that on occasion Football Manager has misread the potential of certain players and made them superstars in the game, while in real life they are actually Mark Kerr.

Cherno Samba, Andri Sigporsson and the legendary To Madeira have all achieved a form of cult status with players of the game but as Jacobson has said in past, if they believe the potential is there, perhaps there are other reasons why some players never reach it. Freddy Adu the biggest culprit of wasting talent.

 

Agora imaginem o Craque Neto usando o FM.

[F J]

  Em 03/08/2015 em 15:19, renato. disse:

Agora imaginem o Craque Neto usando o FM.

Esse jogo ta de brincadeeeeira, marcelinho carioca, zenan, iltolira, EUUUUUU, rivelino, meeeeestre dicá, ia ter tudo mais que vinti de cobrança de falta

[Ichthus]

  Em 03/08/2015 em 17:45, F J disse:

Esse jogo ta de brincadeeeeira, marcelinho carioca, zenan, iltolira, EUUUUUU, rivelino, meeeeestre dicá, ia ter tudo mais que vinti de cobrança de falta

Ou ia dizer que os atributos tão errados, o pessoal da pesquisa não entende nada de futebol e que o jogo "deveria ser feito por profissionais".

[Douglas.]

  Em 03/08/2015 em 17:45, F J disse:

Esse jogo ta de brincadeeeeira, marcelinho carioca, zenan, iltolira, EUUUUUU, rivelino, meeeeestre dicá, ia ter tudo mais que vinti de cobrança de falta

 

 

  Em 04/08/2015 em 13:13, Ichthus disse:

Ou ia dizer que os atributos tão errados, o pessoal da pesquisa não entende nada de futebol e que o jogo "deveria ser feito por profissionais".

 

 

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O QUEEEEEEEEEEEE? COMO ASSIM O PAULINHO NÃO É O MELHOR VOLANTE DO MUNDO???????????????

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HUMMELS? QUEM É ESSE CARA? O QUE ELE GANHOU PRA SER MELHOR QUE O GIL DO CURINTCHA?

[RYUxd]

Na Inglaterra da pra fazer isso tranquilamente, no Brasil nem tanto.

[F J]

  Em 04/08/2015 em 22:59, RYUxd disse:

Na Inglaterra da pra fazer isso tranquilamente, no Brasil nem tanto.

INSINUAS?

[BRKampz]

Depende muito..

Acho que daria pra fazer no Brasil sim..

[Ichthus]

  Em 05/08/2015 em 07:52, BRKampz disse:

Depende muito..

Acho que daria pra fazer no Brasil sim..

Velho, pensa na qualidade da nossa mídia esportiva. Bem mais fácil aconteceu o que eu, FJ e Douglas pensamos lá em cima.

[BRKampz]

  Em 05/08/2015 em 14:02, Ichthus disse:

Velho, pensa na qualidade da nossa mídia esportiva. Bem mais fácil aconteceu o que eu, FJ e Douglas pensamos lá em cima.

Kkkk concordo com você, na mão de pseudo-jornalistas, seria um desastre total. Mas acho que alguns jornalistas (PVC, Jorge Nicola, Mauro Cézar, Mario Marra) saberiam utilizar desse artifício.

PS: Odeio o Mauro Cezar.

[Léo R.]

O problema é que se usarem aqui no BR a base do inter terá os melhores jogadores do universo. Afinal, tínhamos um cara aí que privilegiava os jogadores do inter né? Um certo personagem, de um certo desenho japonês, que transformava os inimigos em chocolate.

[BRKampz]

Pois é, dai tem que ter seriedade máxima dos pesquisadores.

[Emerson Araujo]

Mesmo na Inglaterra o pessoal criticou muito.

 

A verdade é que o FM é sim um simulador absurdo de futebol e tem uma base de dados espetacular. E porque não usá-lo para ajudar no futebol real? Ninguém vai contratar o Vieux Sané só porque o treinou no FM, mas todo jogador é bom pra se observar. E daí ir atrás do cara, vê-lo jogando de fato, enfim. 

 

Sobre os jornalistas brasileiros, a maioria ta aí pra fazer espetáculo, render audiência com as polêmicas idiotas. Os que fazem o seu trabalho direito e sem viadagem normalmente são aqueles que nem parecem ser jornalistas ideais pra TV, tipo o Mauro e seus tiques.